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In the criminal justice system the
people are represented
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by two separate yet equally important
groups -
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the police who investigate crime
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and the crown prosecutors who
prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Those were his exact words. I
thought,
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what I am doing with someone who
objectifies people down to numbers?
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Besides which I'm an 8½
- ask anyone. Maybe an eight when I had the braid
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but I won't make that mistake again.
And he thinks he's a nine? I know.
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With those chicken legs. From now on
I'm just going to concentrate on me.
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Take some time to think about what I
really want.
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Good for you. OK, ciao, bella. See
you later, babes.
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All right, hungry people! Come and
get it!
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Three dead and one serious head
injury.
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Joanne Ellis, one of their
customers. She's in a bad way.
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Right, OK.
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What's this, age before beauty?
Something like that.
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Joy? I take it you're here for the
tour.
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Kelly Scott, one of the sales
assistants.
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Only started yesterday.
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And this one's a customer.
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Driving licence IDs her as Linda
Bowers.
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Works in a cake shop nearby.
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That's the owner, Steven Marx,
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been trading just under a year.
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Who found them then? The other sales
assistant - Paul Dean.
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Came back after his lunch break. And
got the fright of his life. Mm.
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So, what is this - some sort of
glorified charity shop?
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Vintage designer, apparently. Not
your average tat.
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Blimey, I'll say. Look at that.
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200 quid? I should flog some of my
old threads.
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You're looking for a masked man. May
answer to the name of Zorro.
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A sword? You've got some really deep
stab wounds,
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not to mention a lot of wild
slashing and gashing.
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Shame the cameras are dummies. Must
have been quite a show.
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So, we're looking for a homicidal maniac
wielding a sword in a public place.
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What a nightmare.
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I was gone to meet a friend.
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I was only gone 30 minutes.
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40 minutes max.
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Has your...has your boss been having
any problems with anyone lately?
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Italian. I thought they were
tourists.
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The bloke got me unchaining the
leather jackets.
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Steven caught the girl putting stuff
in her bag.
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Started shouting in Italian. Then
what happened?
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Steven said he'd call the cops and
they legged it.
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OK. Have you got a description for
us?
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Er...yeah...um...
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She was a sort of young Nancy
Dell'Olio.
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He was a turned-down Mika.
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I don't get it. Why would someone do
this?
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I don't know, son. I really don't.
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The DI's called a press conference asking
for anyone in the area to come forward.
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That's handy. Just a few thousand
tourists and shoppers
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How come we've got no witnesses?
Precisely.
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Whoever it was must have been
covered in blood.
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And they were carrying a bloody
great sword.
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Matt, this city is full of people
walking around with blinkers on.
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Covent Garden is full of people standing
around in gold paint or fire-eating.
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He might not have stood out that
much. And he's still out there.
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Which is the scary part. Devlin.
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Ang, you're a star.
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Gianni Patrone and Lia Rossi.
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Picked up outside Selfridges with six
grand's worth of designer clothing.
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And we're sure these are the same
two?
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Your witness ID'd them. Apparently Ms
Rossi's dress is one she stole earlier.
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But I'm not getting homicidal maniac,
that's for sure. Me neither.
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But there's just a chance they saw
something.
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Though up to now they've not been
very co-operative.
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Let's get in there, give them some
encouragement. Whatever it takes.
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Commissioner Callaghan wants hourly
updates
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and once the media frenzy starts our
job'll get even harder
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so anything you can get out of these
two. Anything at all.
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We'll talk to 'em. Do we need an
interpreter?
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I doubt it, they're from Enfield.
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I'm telling you, I didn't see
anything and I didn't hear anything.
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But you admit you were in the shop.
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And you threatened Steven Marx.
Threatened him? Shut up.
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And less than two hours later he was
dead.
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Maybe you went back there, you thought
he'd identify you from the CCTV tapes.
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Tapes? What tapes?
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Are you new? The cameras aren't even
real.
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Three people. Three people, Gianni,
left lying in their own blood.
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One girl's head was nearly severed
from her body. I know, OK?
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I told you, we had nothing to do
with that.
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If we'd been there half an hour
later that could have been us.
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You any idea what that feels like?
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Must be terrifying. So I'm asking you again,
where did you go after you left the shop?
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I told you, I don't remember
exactly.
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You ended up in Oxford Street. Did
you go straight there?
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I'm not sure. I don't care if you turned
over half the shops in Covent Garden,
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I just want to know where you went.
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Lia, what about Gianni?
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Was he with you all the time?
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Gianni's the last person you should
be harassing. Who would you suggest?
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The crackhead in the alley for a
start.
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What crackhead in the alley?
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A total nutter.
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Kept banging his head against the
wall.
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So, what do we think?
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About the convenient crackhead?
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It's about the only bit of the story
they agree on.
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Get on to all the drop-ins and
shelters with a description.
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If these two can't pick him out of
WADS then get them to do an E-FIT.
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And keep them apart, yeah? Strictly
no conferring.
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Not exactly twins but they could be
related.
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They could also be half the homeless guys
in London. Can Forensics narrow it down?
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Apparently not, guv, the prints were
just a mass of smudges.
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But they have come up with a profile
of the weapon.
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A single-edged blade, probably
military.
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Comparisons were run. The closest
comparison they do have
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is a US-Army-issued bayonet circa
1950.
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Just a sec.
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Chandler.
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Oh, great. Thank you.
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Joanne Ellis has regained
consciousness.
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Just give her some time. OK.
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The blade ripped her scalp and dug a
trench in her skull.
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Joanne, um...when the woman screamed
where were you?
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T- t-trying on a d-d-dress.
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Th-th...there-there was a woman on
the floor.
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A man hit me.
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The man, did you see his face?
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Joanne. Sorry, sweetheart,
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I'm going to...going to show you a
picture, OK?
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If it looks like the man just let us
know, OK?
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Yes.
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All right? Anything? No, more of the
same.
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What's the word from uniform?
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Still going door to door. Nothing
definite to report.
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Round here the homeless really are
invisible. What do you reckon?
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Keep on going, meet up in organic
beauty?
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If we must.
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Are you going to buy that?
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I wouldn't know whether to wear it
or eat it.
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Um, can I help?
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Yes, actually, you can.
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We're looking for some information
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regarding the fatal incident in
Brewers Alley.
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The papers said it was completely random,
that he could strike again. Is that true?
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Well, we're advising everyone to be
cautious, yeah.
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I'm sorry, do you...would you happen
to recognise this man?
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You might have seen him wandering
around the area yesterday.
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No, not yesterday but the day
before.
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He was standing right outside the
door. Just kept looking in.
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I thought he might be watching one
of my customers. Anyone in particular?
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Um, a pretty girl. Blonde. She comes
in quite a lot.
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Actually, she signed up for my
mailing list.
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I teach yoga a couple of nights a
week.
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Yeah. Linda Bowers.
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Was she one of them? I'm afraid so,
yeah.
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Oh, poor girl.
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So, it wasn't random.
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Doesn't look like it. No, our
mystery man was after Linda Bowers.
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Yeah, that's the guy.
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The girl called us around 10ish. Said
some weirdo had followed her home.
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What, from Neal Street to Southwark?
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Yeah.
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By the time we got there he was
gone.
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But we did a drive-by a couple of
hours later
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and he's standing across the street,
walking in circles.
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Any ID? Afraid not.
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No wallet. No driving licence. He
didn't want to give us his name.
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You didn't bring him in? We couldn't
charge him with anything.
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So we decided to relocate him.
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Sorry? You know.
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Like what they do with bears. Drove him
back across the river and dumped him.
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Thought at least that way he
couldn't do any harm.
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Bears?
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Are you saying he was picked up for
harassing one of the victims
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and we still have no idea who he is?
It's like he doesn't exist.
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No name, no fixed abode, nothing.
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Callaghan's pressuring me to release
the E-FIT to the media.
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Well, you know what, that might not
be such a bad idea.
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How many homeless guys are there in
woolly hats out there?
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We'd be buried alive under reported
sightings,
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not to mention the chances of the
wrong bloke getting lynched.
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Hello, Ronnie. Are we keeping you
from your afternoon tea?
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No, not at all. Sorry, guv.
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I was thinking about the bayonet.
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He didn't have it on him when they
took him across the river
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so he must have got hold of it last
week.
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It's not the kind of thing you find
in a skip.
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No reports of any bayonets being
stolen in the Greater London area.
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What if we went to the dealers,
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see if any have been carrying any
unofficial 20th century items?
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Yeah. Turns out Matty's got a secret
stash of antique muskets.
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Hm. Do you know, I can see that.
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Yeah, that sounds right. Compatible
with an M1 rifle, yeah?
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This was last week?
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OK, thanks. You've been very
helpful.
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Bloke comes up to Covent Garden
first Monday of the month,
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says he had a mint-condition M1
bayonet
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nicked from his stall by some
homeless wanker.
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Our homeless wanker? Right down to
his woolly hat.
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Tried to buy it with some vouchers.
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That didn't work so he smashed the
case and took it.
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Vouchers. Yeah, he reckons it was
for some night shelter.
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He had a stack of them. Thought it
was a chequebook.
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That very much resembles John.
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Would John happen to have a last
name?
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We only know him as John though some
of the regulars call him Zero.
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As in Bravo Two Zero.
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From Zorro to Zero.
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Do you mean he's ex-military? No,
no.
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John's more a one-man army.
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But he likes to wear the clothes,
the boots, all that sort of thing.
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I'm sorry, what is this about?
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Well, unfortunately, John is a
suspect in a murder investigation.
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John? That can't be right.
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Well, has he been in recently?
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No, not for a few days. The last time
was Thursday, I think, for breakfast.
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Do you know where he goes when he's
not here? No, I'm sorry, I d-
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But are you certain this is the
person you want?
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It's starting to look that way.
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I'm very surprised by this.
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He doesn't use drugs and he's never
violent.
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Sometimes he's a little confused,
perhaps,
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but he struck me as an educated sort
of man.
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Not dangerous in any way.
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Excuse me.
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Thank you, Father.
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So, sometimes he's a bit confused.
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When he's not banging his head against the
wall. If he ain't a crackhead, he's a nutjob.
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Yeah, I know him. Usually wears army
fatigues. Name's John Smith.
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You're kidding? It's the name he
gave us.
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Interesting guy. He recognised my
tattoo.
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Kushta. Means truth in Aramaic.
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John always said it was the language
of the common people.
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So he was a regular, yeah?
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He was. According to this he hasn't
picked up his prescription in...
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nearly three months. That's not
good. What's he on?
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Risperidone and carbamazepine. It's
for schizophrenia.
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They tried weekly injections but he'd miss the
appointments. What happens if he doesn't take them?
235
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They tried weekly injections but he'd miss the
appointments. What happens if he doesn't take them?
236
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Delusions, psychosis. Possibly
full-blown mania.
237
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Schizophrenics aren't necessarily
violent though, are they?
238
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There's always the exception that
proves the rule.
239
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Is John in trouble? Afraid so.
240
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Do you have any idea where we might
find him?
241
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Most of these guys register using
the clinic address.
242
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So how do they pick up a
prescription without an ID?
243
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They have a badge with a temporary
NHS number.
244
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Although John had his nicked a while back
so he just uses his Westminster library card.
245
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He has a library card? Yeah, a lot
of them do.
246
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Some of them even read the books.
247
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He's been in Ancient History since
we opened. Same as always.
248
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We thought evacuating the building
would arouse his suspicions.
249
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Quite right. You've had no problems with
him in the past? No. He just comes to read.
250
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Right, lads, get people out as
quickly and quietly as you can.
251
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Whereabouts is he, please? He's in
the far corner. Great, thank you.
252
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All right?
253
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Matt, he's coming your way.
254
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Just take it easy, John.
255
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Get away! Police, stop.
256
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John, listen. Drop the bayonet.
257
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I can't hear you. I'm not listening. I
can't hear you. No, no, put that down.
258
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Put that down. Someone will get hurt.
I can't hear you.
259
00:16:20,695 --> 00:16:22,620
No, no, no, no.
260
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John Smith, I'm arresting you on
suspicion of the murder of Steven Marx,
261
00:16:27,555 --> 00:16:31,460
Kelly Scott and Linda Bowers and the
attempted murder of Joanne Ellis.
262
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Well done, son.
263
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Are you limping? No.
264
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But I am a captain in Jabin's army.
265
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I fought at Kishon River. Calm down,
John.
266
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OK? OK? Calm down.
267
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It's quite a system.
268
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They drive wireless HD to work and
they're still hungry.
269
00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:23,345
Worse thing is after a while it
almost starts making sense.
270
00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:27,260
Are we sure about his name? We're
running his prints through the system. OK.
271
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So, let's set up a video ID and get
in the eyewitness.
272
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No.
273
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That's him.
274
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Smith's solicitor wants him back on
his drugs.
275
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Fine, but we charge him with murder
first.
276
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So he's agreed to have a solicitor?
As far as we can tell.
277
00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:56,420
We've got a match on the prints. So,
why have we previously had the pleasure?
278
00:17:56,455 --> 00:18:00,820
John Patrick Smith. One arrest for
stalking a woman 16 months ago.
279
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The original charge was threats to
kill but the CPS reviewed it
280
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and amended it to Section 2, simple
harassment.
281
00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:11,820
Eh? He got a 12-month supervision
order and paid 200 quid in costs.
282
00:18:11,855 --> 00:18:14,540
Might as well give him a Mars Bar
and a pat on the head.
283
00:18:14,575 --> 00:18:16,660
What are the chances of nailing him
this time?
284
00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:25,020
Well, do I resign now or do I wait
till this hits the papers?
285
00:18:25,055 --> 00:18:27,945
The file says the original charge
was way over the top.
286
00:18:27,980 --> 00:18:32,300
And the police had no evidence to support
harassment, let alone threat to kill.
287
00:18:32,335 --> 00:18:36,017
And, at the time, Smith had a job.
Doing what, for heaven's sake?
288
00:18:36,052 --> 00:18:39,700
Marking legal exams for undergraduate
exam boards. God help us all.
289
00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:44,420
His defence never referred to his mental
state and the prosecution missed it.
290
00:18:44,455 --> 00:18:46,305
My God.
291
00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:48,505
The Home Secretary's
hyperventilating.
292
00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:51,900
If the press find out that we had
this guy and then we let him go -
293
00:18:51,935 --> 00:18:54,340
Smith's solicitor's withdrawing from
the case.
294
00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:57,060
And so the madness begins.
295
00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:00,700
He informed me that he no longer
requires my services.
296
00:19:00,735 --> 00:19:03,457
Who's representing him? John Patrick
Smith.
297
00:19:03,492 --> 00:19:06,145
MA from Oxford, Master of Laws from
Cambridge.
298
00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:09,660
Not to mention his PhD. And he did
mention it. Several times.
299
00:19:09,695 --> 00:19:11,825
You're not serious? Oh, yes.
300
00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:14,665
The lunatic has officially taken
over the asylum.
301
00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:19,500
And he knows his rights. As long as he's fit
to stand trial he's fit to represent himself.
302
00:19:19,535 --> 00:19:21,785
He's not fit for anything.
303
00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:24,385
If he represents himself, this will
be a farce.
304
00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:28,500
It's listed for mention so you can bring
it up with the judge. Don't worry, I will.
305
00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:33,905
Mr Steel it is usually the defence
306
00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:36,865
who raise the issue of mental
competence.
307
00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:39,900
I know, but given the unusual
circumstances... Very well.
308
00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:43,585
Mr Smith, it says here
309
00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:47,220
that you have a history of
schizoaffective disorder.
310
00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:50,160
That's correct, my Lord.
311
00:19:50,195 --> 00:19:52,140
Since the age of 23.
312
00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:55,180
I'm prone to manic depression,
313
00:19:56,060 --> 00:19:59,060
paranoid delusions and
hallucinations...
314
00:20:00,380 --> 00:20:02,585
unless I'm taking my medication.
315
00:20:02,620 --> 00:20:05,020
And are you currently taking your
medication?
316
00:20:05,055 --> 00:20:06,900
Yes, my Lord, ever since my arrest.
317
00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:11,660
And I understand you wish to
represent yourself.
318
00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:17,300
Yes, my Lord. I have a first class
law degree from Oxford,
319
00:20:17,335 --> 00:20:19,465
as I believe do you, my Lord.
320
00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:23,220
Also an LLM from Cambridge and a PhD
in jurisprudence.
321
00:20:23,255 --> 00:20:26,940
Without proper counsel Mr Smith will
be at a disadvantage.
322
00:20:26,975 --> 00:20:29,585
He could also suffer another
psychotic break
323
00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:33,060
in which case the trial would
collapse, we'd be back where we started.
324
00:20:33,095 --> 00:20:34,940
But, as Mr Steel is aware,
325
00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:38,100
that's an irrelevance.
326
00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:42,620
Unless prosecution can establish
incompetence at this precise moment
327
00:20:42,655 --> 00:20:44,460
then the trial must go ahead.
328
00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:47,265
In which case,
329
00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:49,980
subject to medical confirmation
330
00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:55,180
of the defendant's fitness to stand
trial, we shall proceed.
331
00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,865
There's one more thing, my Lord.
332
00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:01,420
As Mr Steel pointed out, I will be
at a disadvantage.
333
00:21:01,455 --> 00:21:03,585
Perhaps to level the playing field,
334
00:21:03,620 --> 00:21:06,100
I might conduct my defence from
counsel's row.
335
00:21:06,135 --> 00:21:07,700
Mr Steel?
336
00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:10,900
I don't think it's at all
appropriate, my Lord.
337
00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:13,660
The defendant is already in custody.
338
00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:17,025
I will allow it.
339
00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:20,660
As you say, Mr Steel, these are
unusual circumstances.
340
00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:25,220
A 200-page application to dismiss.
341
00:21:25,780 --> 00:21:28,740
I don't know if we should prosecute
him or offer him a job.
342
00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:32,620
I don't understand. Why's he not
going for the insanity plea?
343
00:21:32,655 --> 00:21:35,940
He thinks he can prove we've got the
wrong man. That won't work.
344
00:21:35,975 --> 00:21:39,425
Well, he's challenging every piece
of prosecution evidence.
345
00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:43,185
Prentice won't rush to dismiss
against a homicidal schizophrenic.
346
00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:48,340
He won't give you an inch either. And he won't
be swayed by public opinion, however vitriolic.
347
00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:51,660
I'd be happier if we could find
something resembling a motive.
348
00:21:51,695 --> 00:21:53,825
According to Joanne Ellis' statement
349
00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:57,340
he didn't give any sign he even knew
who Linda was. Talk to her again.
350
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:02,020
And didn't Smith give a sister as his
residential address? Yeah.
351
00:22:02,055 --> 00:22:03,940
I want to meet her.
352
00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:07,700
Remember, it's not just Smith in the
dock over this one.
353
00:22:07,735 --> 00:22:09,620
Radio? TV.
354
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,900
Go easy on the make-up, George.
355
00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:18,620
There was lots of screaming.
356
00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:22,500
There might have been words.
357
00:22:23,620 --> 00:22:26,860
Do you have any idea of what those
words could have been?
358
00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:30,740
Something like, 'Live forever'.
359
00:22:32,820 --> 00:22:36,020
Maybe 'life forever'. What does it
matter what he said?
360
00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:40,820
The man's a lunatic. If you'd heard him in
court last week, you might not be so sure.
361
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:44,820
It said in the paper he's got a law
degree.
362
00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:48,105
Yes, he has.
363
00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:51,420
That why he got let off the first
time? Cos he was one of your own?
364
00:22:51,455 --> 00:22:54,625
Absolutely not. It was nothing like
that.
365
00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:57,320
The trouble was the prosecution didn't know enough
about him. They knew he was stalking a woman.
366
00:22:57,355 --> 00:22:59,980
The trouble was the prosecution didn't know enough
about him. They knew he was stalking a woman.
367
00:23:00,015 --> 00:23:03,340
Didn't that give them a clue
there was something wrong with him?
368
00:23:06,220 --> 00:23:09,020
Mr Ellis, I can't imagine what
you're going through,
369
00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:11,500
you and Joanne.
370
00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:15,380
I want you to know how sorry I am.
371
00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:18,580
And that makes it all right, as long
as you're sorry?
372
00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:21,380
You lot had him and you let him go.
373
00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:24,020
And now my little girl - Dad.
374
00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:31,700
Yeah, well, we've got ourselves a
lawyer too,
375
00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:34,505
us and the other families.
376
00:23:34,540 --> 00:23:38,220
And he's advised us to take a civil
action against the police and the CPS.
377
00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:42,160
You let us down, Miss Phillips,
378
00:23:42,195 --> 00:23:44,180
and someone's going to pay.
379
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,420
When I talked to my brother last
month...
380
00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:52,260
he didn't mention Linda Bowers.
381
00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:56,780
He called because he'd overheard
someone plotting to kill our parents.
382
00:23:57,860 --> 00:23:59,780
Our parents died three years ago.
383
00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:04,540
The woman he injured heard him shout
the words 'life forever'.
384
00:24:04,575 --> 00:24:06,380
He probably said 'the wife of
Heber'.
385
00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:08,660
It's from the Old Testament.
386
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:14,900
She lured Sisera into her tent with
food then stabbed him through the temple.
387
00:24:14,935 --> 00:24:17,740
Does this have a particular
relevance for your brother?
388
00:24:17,775 --> 00:24:18,980
Uh.
389
00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:23,220
Johnny went through a religious
phase as a teenager.
390
00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:26,585
When he developed schizophrenia
391
00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:29,700
he accused his girlfriend of putting
needles in his brain.
392
00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:33,105
He called her the wife of Heber.
393
00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:35,220
Was he violent towards his
girlfriend?
394
00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:38,780
He tried to strangle her in his room
at Oxford.
395
00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:43,780
The next day he was admitted to
hospital for six months.
396
00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:46,465
So there's your motive.
397
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:49,820
I only wanted to find out about his
behaviour.
398
00:24:49,855 --> 00:24:52,105
Oh, really?
399
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:55,740
Because last time Johnny was
arrested, I kept trying to tell someone
400
00:24:55,775 --> 00:24:57,985
that he needed to be in hospital.
401
00:24:58,020 --> 00:25:02,065
That he needed supervision and support
to help him stay on his medication.
402
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,900
But surely, given that history, there
must have been some way to get him help.
403
00:25:05,935 --> 00:25:08,020
And what would you suggest?
404
00:25:08,055 --> 00:25:09,860
Have him locked up?
405
00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:13,865
Have him forcibly injected with
antipsychotics?
406
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,260
Unfortunately, the mentally ill have
rights too, Mr Steel.
407
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,220
I'm sorry. It's just...
408
00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:23,780
For 15 years I've known something
like this was coming.
409
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:26,900
And there was nothing I could do to
stop it.
410
00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:31,740
It's not about money. I won't say a trial
like this isn't expensive, of course it is,
411
00:25:31,775 --> 00:25:34,657
but, at the end of the day, you're
faced with a choice
412
00:25:34,692 --> 00:25:37,540
between a public expenditure that is
way out of control...
413
00:25:37,575 --> 00:25:39,380
God, 'at the end of the day'.
414
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:44,500
I sound like the Scotland football
manager. Suit looked good though.
415
00:25:44,535 --> 00:25:46,585
What reaction from on high?
416
00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:49,865
I have been summoned for a strategy
discussion.
417
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:53,580
The good news is Smith's application
to dismiss has been denied.
418
00:25:53,615 --> 00:25:56,100
He's pleading not guilty by reason of
insanity.
419
00:25:56,135 --> 00:25:58,260
He couldn't have done that from the
start?
420
00:25:58,295 --> 00:26:00,317
OK, let's get this over with then.
421
00:26:00,352 --> 00:26:02,340
Accept the plea, establish the
facts,
422
00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:05,620
then Prentice can issue a hospital
order
423
00:26:05,655 --> 00:26:07,540
and put Smith back where he belongs.
424
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:13,220
With no criminal conviction, he can only be
held while there's a mental health justification.
425
00:26:13,255 --> 00:26:16,265
So if he takes his medication he
could be out within weeks.
426
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:20,060
Smith knows that. Why else risk an
insanity plea? Because he's insane.
427
00:26:20,095 --> 00:26:21,985
OK, OK.
428
00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:25,500
And you really think he belongs in
prison? There has to be a trial.
429
00:26:25,535 --> 00:26:28,505
You won't get a murder verdict if he
goes down this route.
430
00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:32,540
I'll talk to him. If I get him to plead
manslaughter diminished responsibility
431
00:26:32,575 --> 00:26:34,985
he'll get a sentence in a secure unit
or hospital
432
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:38,140
and there'll be no early release just
cos he took his pills.
433
00:26:38,175 --> 00:26:40,020
And if he won't change his plea?
434
00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:42,340
Look, why am I even asking?
435
00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:44,900
Fine. Talk to him.
436
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:56,100
I'd be interested to know what you
thought of my application, Mr Steel.
437
00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:00,660
Of course, it's a long shot
- Mr Smith, I'm only here to discuss your plea.
438
00:27:00,695 --> 00:27:02,500
Of course.
439
00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:05,545
You know, the...
440
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:08,900
one thing I regret about pleading
insanity
441
00:27:08,935 --> 00:27:11,025
is that there won't be a full trial.
442
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:13,140
I'd have enjoyed the chance to
really...
443
00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:16,660
flex my legal muscles.
444
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:23,505
Three people are dead.
445
00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:26,260
And a young girl has been left with
horrific injuries.
446
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,620
That doesn't bother you?
447
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:33,000
Well, obviously, I'm sorry for what
happened
448
00:27:33,035 --> 00:27:35,900
but, you have to understand, that
wasn't me,
449
00:27:35,935 --> 00:27:37,820
I'm not that creature.
450
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:40,340
I...I...
451
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:43,420
won't take the blame for something
that he did.
452
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:47,020
You honestly believe you should walk
free?
453
00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:50,900
I don't think I should be punished
for something I didn't do
454
00:27:50,935 --> 00:27:53,705
and I can hardly be rehabilitated
455
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:56,785
when I have no memory of committing
a crime.
456
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:59,780
Assuming, of course, that you
subscribe to the view
457
00:27:59,815 --> 00:28:02,705
that prison is an opportunity for
rehabilitation.
458
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:05,740
I'm here because we're prepared to
amend the indictment.
459
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:09,260
We'll accept a plea of guilty to
manslaughter due to diminished responsibility.
460
00:28:09,295 --> 00:28:12,217
We'll accept a plea of guilty to
manslaughter due to diminished responsibility.
461
00:28:12,252 --> 00:28:15,140
Is that a joke? You'd be looking at
5-10 years in a secure unit or hospital
462
00:28:15,175 --> 00:28:17,660
as opposed to the 25 you'd get in
prison for murder.
463
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,460
They'll never send me to prison.
464
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:24,145
I've got a dozen expert witnesses,
465
00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:27,100
all of whom will confirm that I'm
insane.
466
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:30,900
I wouldn't necessarily assume a jury
will find you not guilty.
467
00:28:30,935 --> 00:28:33,637
You killed three people. They won't
care why you did it,
468
00:28:33,672 --> 00:28:36,340
they'll want to lock you up so you
can't do it again.
469
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:40,380
I feel that's an acceptable risk
when weighed against my freedom.
470
00:28:40,415 --> 00:28:42,540
Freedom to do what exactly, John?
471
00:28:44,540 --> 00:28:47,420
Look at how you've been living. If
you plead guilty
472
00:28:47,455 --> 00:28:49,757
to manslaughter diminished
responsibility
473
00:28:49,792 --> 00:28:52,060
you'll go somewhere where you can get
help.
474
00:28:52,095 --> 00:28:54,385
Do you know the kind of people
475
00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:57,660
who end up in mental institutions,
Mr Steel?
476
00:28:57,695 --> 00:28:59,500
I am NOT one of them.
477
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,860
I don't belong there. You have an
illness, John.
478
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:07,940
Yes, but when I'm medicated I'm just
like you.
479
00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:13,540
I think you find that frightening.
480
00:29:16,660 --> 00:29:19,740
Perhaps you know how it feels,
481
00:29:19,775 --> 00:29:22,425
that urge to just let go
482
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:24,340
and to hell with the consequences.
483
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,340
There are always consequences. Are
there?
484
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:34,660
I would have made a brilliant
lawyer, Mr Steel.
485
00:29:34,695 --> 00:29:36,580
I really would.
486
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:40,420
And I will get to prove it.
487
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:48,785
He's treating the whole thing like a
game.
488
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:51,580
We can't counter his plea by
claiming he was sane.
489
00:29:51,615 --> 00:29:53,905
The witnesses say he was climbing
the wall.
490
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:57,140
Now he's calmly debating the merits
of the penal system.
491
00:29:57,175 --> 00:30:00,077
He's different when he's medicated.
That's hardly news.
492
00:30:00,112 --> 00:30:02,980
It's practically the basis of his
defence. Exactly.
493
00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:06,865
As long as he takes his pills his
mind works just fine.
494
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:10,420
So when he decided to stop taking
them he knew what he was doing.
495
00:30:10,455 --> 00:30:13,665
But he didn't go out and get high.
That's his natural state.
496
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:18,580
I'm naturally bad-tempered. It doesn't mean
I can punch you when you annoy me. Like now.
497
00:30:18,615 --> 00:30:22,665
I'd like to see you try. We're talking
about prosecuting for an omission.
498
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:27,220
We wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I'm saying
he knew what would happen and did it anyway.
499
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:32,940
Have you ever been on antipsychotic
drugs, Dr Armitage?
500
00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:35,585
No, I haven't.
501
00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:41,020
Well, I am using every ounce of
energy that I have right now
502
00:30:41,055 --> 00:30:42,900
just trying to talk to you.
503
00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:47,560
It's like I'm pawing through a thick
blanket.
504
00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:51,460
I feel stiff and half a step behind
everybody.
505
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:53,780
I feel so tired just trying to...
506
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:57,020
..hold on to reality.
507
00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:01,660
I don't know. I think letting go is
almost a relief.
508
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:07,225
He knows what he's like without medication.
He wilfully chose to stop taking it.
509
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:11,980
I know where you're going with this. He created
the circumstances that led to the murders.
510
00:31:12,015 --> 00:31:15,057
Letting go isn't just a relief. He
actively enjoys it.
511
00:31:15,092 --> 00:31:18,065
You can't punish someone for having
a medical condition.
512
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,785
Smith says as long as he's on his
medication he's as sane as the next man.
513
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:26,460
Makes you worry about the next man. The
legal system can't deal with the mentally ill.
514
00:31:26,495 --> 00:31:29,637
You only work with absolutes. He
slaughtered three people.
515
00:31:29,672 --> 00:31:32,780
While in the grip of a terrifying
and overwhelming delusion.
516
00:31:32,815 --> 00:31:35,140
You say he's shown no remorse. How
can he?
517
00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:39,080
Convincing himself that crazy John
is a totally separate entity
518
00:31:39,115 --> 00:31:42,580
is the only way that he can cope.
He's playing the system, Roddy.
519
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:45,385
He's an expert on legal insanity
520
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:48,820
using his condition to get away with
murder. If he pleads guilty
521
00:31:48,855 --> 00:31:51,785
his coping mechanism will crumble.
Then where does he go?
522
00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:55,140
The way I see it, the longer he's
locked up the safer for everyone.
523
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:59,660
It's as if your expert witness may
as well be working for the defence.
524
00:32:00,340 --> 00:32:02,880
I can work around it. The Home Secretary feels
very strongly that we should take the plea.
525
00:32:02,915 --> 00:32:05,420
I can work around it. The Home Secretary feels
very strongly that we should take the plea.
526
00:32:05,455 --> 00:32:09,780
He thinks it would be a PR disaster
if Smith is found not guilty
527
00:32:09,815 --> 00:32:11,865
after a long, high-profile trial.
528
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:15,500
And what did you say? I told him
that it was entirely inappropriate
529
00:32:15,535 --> 00:32:19,100
for him to try to influence a
prosecution of a high court case.
530
00:32:19,135 --> 00:32:21,305
Go George. Well, I am indeed the
man.
531
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:24,380
But we are not operating in a vacuum
here, James.
532
00:32:24,415 --> 00:32:27,385
Mental health charities are banging
down the door
533
00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:30,940
saying that the system fails to
indentify vulnerable defendants
534
00:32:30,975 --> 00:32:34,305
and this lot want to start a
campaign
535
00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:37,620
for a national register for the
mentally ill.
536
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:42,020
If Smith does win in court then the
fallout could be horrendous.
537
00:32:42,055 --> 00:32:44,380
In all directions. He's not going
to.
538
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,665
He can play the victim all he likes.
539
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:50,945
Even if a jury thinks that he was
insane when he drew the bayonet,
540
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:54,580
what about when he stole it or when
he decided to throw away his pills?
541
00:32:54,615 --> 00:32:56,785
He didn't just make one choice,
George.
542
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:59,260
A whole series of decisions led to
those deaths.
543
00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:03,460
And if Joanne Ellis has to live with
the consequences...
544
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:06,300
then so should Smith.
545
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:15,780
I saw the manager and another woman
on the floor bleeding.
546
00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:20,380
Then I heard a shout...
547
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,380
..and this man ran towards me.
548
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:27,900
Something hit my head.
549
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,260
I don't remember anything else.
550
00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:35,660
Miss Ellis, can you describe the
long-term effects
551
00:33:35,695 --> 00:33:37,540
of the head injury you sustained?
552
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:44,340
I've lost the sight in my right eye.
553
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:51,220
I have limited muscle control on my
left-hand side...
554
00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:55,300
..particularly my left arm.
555
00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:59,185
I get very bad headaches
556
00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:02,140
and I have problems with
concentration and memory loss.
557
00:34:03,380 --> 00:34:05,940
What did you do for a living before
the incident?
558
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:09,620
I was a dancer with the Royal
Ballet.
559
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:15,620
And will you be able to continue in
that career at some point?
560
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:19,900
No.
561
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:23,340
Thank you. No further questions.
562
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:29,660
Miss Ellis, um...
563
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:33,220
I'm very sorry that you were
injured.
564
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:38,140
When you first saw me I didn't look
like this, did I? No.
565
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:41,140
Do you remember what I used to look
like?
566
00:34:41,175 --> 00:34:43,945
You were dirty, with longer hair.
567
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:46,660
You were disgusting. I looked like somebody
who should have been in a mental hospital. Yes.
568
00:34:46,695 --> 00:34:49,340
You were disgusting. I looked like somebody
who should have been in a mental hospital. Yes.
569
00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:52,140
Like somebody who is clearly insane.
My Lord - Yes.
570
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:56,700
In fact, you're pursuing a civil
action, aren't you, against the CPS
571
00:34:56,735 --> 00:35:01,260
for allowing someone so unmistakably
insane to walk free?
572
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,905
Yes, I am. So, if you blame anyone,
573
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:08,260
it's really the justice system that
failed to protect you.
574
00:35:08,295 --> 00:35:11,700
My Lord, please. He's right. You let
him do this.
575
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:15,660
You could have stopped him but you
let him go.
576
00:35:15,695 --> 00:35:17,540
And look what he did to me.
577
00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:23,940
That will do, Mr Smith.
578
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:29,180
Miss Ellis,
579
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:31,860
you may step down.
580
00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:42,980
Antipsychotic drugs have powerful
side effects.
581
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:46,620
It's the most common reason patients
stop taking them.
582
00:35:46,655 --> 00:35:48,745
So, in the case of the defendant,
583
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,260
he didn't stop because he thought he
was cured.
584
00:35:51,295 --> 00:35:53,345
I don't believe so.
585
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:55,260
So he was aware of the consequences.
586
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:59,025
He knows he's susceptible to
paranoid delusions
587
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:02,660
and that these previously led him to
try and strangle a girlfriend.
588
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:06,380
And do they explain why he was
following Linda Bowers
589
00:36:06,415 --> 00:36:08,260
and why he ultimately killed her.
Yes.
590
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:11,940
He believed she was plotting to kill him and that
Miss Ellis and the others were her accomplices.
591
00:36:11,975 --> 00:36:14,460
He believed she was plotting to kill him and that
Miss Ellis and the others were her accomplices.
592
00:36:14,495 --> 00:36:16,340
So, just to be entirely clear,
593
00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:21,025
at the moment when the defendant
stopped taking his medication
594
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:25,620
he knew that would cause the return of the
delusions that had previously led to violence.
595
00:36:25,655 --> 00:36:27,500
Yes, he did.
596
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:30,300
Thank you, Dr Armitage.
597
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:34,820
Dr Armitage, um...
598
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:41,820
..you described the side effects of
my medication as powerful.
599
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:44,145
That's correct.
600
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:46,100
So, in your opinion,
601
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:50,620
whilst experiencing these powerful
side effects,
602
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:55,620
would I have been able to accurately
predict the likelihood
603
00:36:55,655 --> 00:36:58,100
of any future psychotic behaviour?
604
00:36:59,460 --> 00:37:01,585
No. Thank you.
605
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,900
And will he be able to predict it in
the future? No.
606
00:37:04,935 --> 00:37:07,905
Mr Steel, you are not at liberty
607
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:11,900
to fire questions at the witness
whenever the mood takes you.
608
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:24,625
That poor girl was your best bet
609
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,065
and Smith got her to say that he
wasn't to blame.
610
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,660
But did you see how Smith reacted
when Roddy talked about next time?
611
00:37:30,695 --> 00:37:33,497
So he realises he's trapped in a
cycle of behaviour.
612
00:37:33,532 --> 00:37:36,265
What good does that do us? For Smith
to admit his guilt
613
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,545
he must confront what he's done and
accept he might do it again.
614
00:37:39,580 --> 00:37:43,380
We need someone who's been through
that cycle with him time after time.
615
00:37:43,415 --> 00:37:45,665
Patricia won't help you put her
brother away.
616
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,940
She knows him better than he knows
himself. She's on his side.
617
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:50,940
Doesn't mean she's on his witness
list.
618
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,060
With a manslaughter charge he could
still go to prison.
619
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:02,420
If he did, he'd be in a secure unit
under medical supervision.
620
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:05,620
But unless he changes his plea,
621
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:10,460
he could be found guilty of murder.
That won't happen.
622
00:38:10,495 --> 00:38:12,585
They can see that he's sick.
623
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:15,500
If he's found not guilty and he's
back on his medication,
624
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:18,900
they won't legally be able to hold
him.
625
00:38:18,935 --> 00:38:20,820
I don't believe this.
626
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:24,865
I've spent half my life dreading
what he might do
627
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,220
and this happened and now you're telling me
it makes no difference, nothing's changed.
628
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:33,060
I'm sorry. I can't do this any more.
I'm sorry, I just can't.
629
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:35,745
Then break the pattern.
630
00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:39,020
Make the jury understand how badly
John needs long-term care.
631
00:38:39,380 --> 00:38:41,660
You're asking me to betray my
brother?
632
00:38:41,695 --> 00:38:42,900
No.
633
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:45,980
I'm asking you to save him.
634
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,665
Miss Smith, is this the first time
635
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,140
your brother has stopped taking his
medication?
636
00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:58,860
No.
637
00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:03,140
Over the past 15 years it's happened
more than a dozen times.
638
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,265
How did you deal with this?
639
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,980
Well, I begged him to keep taking
his pills.
640
00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:13,260
I warned him that he might...harm
himself...
641
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,220
..or other people if he stopped.
642
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:22,660
But he just said other people would
have to stay out of his way.
643
00:39:22,695 --> 00:39:25,700
Did he ever offer an explanation for
his behaviour?
644
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,700
Yes.
645
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:30,900
I found out he'd rented a flat in
Ladbroke Grove...
646
00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:33,300
on the 14th floor.
647
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:36,300
What did you do?
648
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:38,940
I went there.
649
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,140
He was sitting on the living room
floor.
650
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:46,140
He said he'd tried so hard to stay
on his medicine
651
00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:48,500
so that he'd get a job as a...
652
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:51,580
..lawyer or even a teacher...
653
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:55,300
..but that no-one wanted him because
he was sick.
654
00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:59,140
He said there was no point in taking
his medicine.
655
00:39:59,860 --> 00:40:02,385
He said he'd rented the flat
656
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:04,420
so that he'd be able to jump off the
balcony.
657
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:08,940
He...he needs somebody...
658
00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:11,865
to make him take his medication.
659
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,700
He's trying to convince you that he's
in control but he can't help himself.
660
00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:19,220
Somebody has to help him.
661
00:40:19,255 --> 00:40:21,140
Please, God.
662
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:30,500
I understand you studied the Bible, Mr
Smith, the Old Testament in particular.
663
00:40:30,535 --> 00:40:33,260
Is that right? Yes. When I was
younger, yeah.
664
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:36,420
And this was before you became ill.
665
00:40:36,455 --> 00:40:38,980
Is that correct, Mr Smith? Yes.
666
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:43,465
And these details and these images,
667
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,745
they stayed with you when you became
ill.
668
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:48,620
In fact, they became the basis of
your delusions.
669
00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:50,620
That's right, yeah.
670
00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:53,260
So, does it work the other way?
671
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:57,820
I don't understand. Well, when you're
on your medication, as you are now,
672
00:40:57,855 --> 00:41:00,597
do you ever have any thoughts or
memories
673
00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:03,340
from the times you've been
delusional?
674
00:41:05,180 --> 00:41:07,345
Not really, no.
675
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:11,460
'Not really, no.' So, what, you
remember some things?
676
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:15,500
Occasionally. People's faces,
perhaps?
677
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:17,345
Sometimes.
678
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:19,465
What about their voices?
679
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,420
Do you hear voices, John, things they
might have said?
680
00:41:22,455 --> 00:41:24,505
Er...
681
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:28,420
I suppose so. Do you remember your sister
coming to see you at Ladbroke Grove?
682
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:32,180
Where? The flat when you were
planning to kill yourself.
683
00:41:32,215 --> 00:41:34,425
Uh...er...I wasn't...
684
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:37,700
Um...I was...I was...I was taking my
medication then.
685
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:40,705
So you weren't delusional at that
time? No, no.
686
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:44,980
Do you remember seeing Joanne Ellis'
face? N...n... Do you remember her voice?
687
00:41:45,015 --> 00:41:48,625
She would have been screaming as you
came towards her with a bayonet.
688
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:53,180
What about when you pushed her to the ground
or sliced the bayonet into her skull? No.
689
00:41:53,215 --> 00:41:56,185
Maybe you thought she was a witness,
that she'd run away.
690
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:59,900
Maybe you thought she'd call the
police. It wasn't that. What was it?
691
00:41:59,935 --> 00:42:03,780
I thought that um... What? What did
you think? Explain it to me.
692
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:07,180
I can't it. Explain it to me, John.
693
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,065
I thought that sh...
694
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:11,940
I thought that they wanted to kill
me.
695
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:22,300
I thought that you all wanted me
dead so I...
696
00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:26,460
had to... I had to stop you. I
didn't care how.
697
00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:32,100
No further questions.
698
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:48,060
John Smith, you have pleaded guilty
to the charge of manslaughter.
699
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,265
Yes.
700
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,940
Before sentencing, do you wish to
say anything in mitigation?
701
00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:03,825
Yes, um...
702
00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:07,480
I have suffered from schizoaffective
disorder since the age of 23.
703
00:43:07,515 --> 00:43:11,100
I'm prone to manic depression,
paranoid delusions, hallucinations.
704
00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:17,780
The paper's full of needles. They gave
it to me to hurt me. It cuts and I bleed.
705
00:43:17,815 --> 00:43:21,820
Mr Smith. I heard what Deborah said
unto Barak. The Lord will discomfit me.
706
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:26,140
You're looking at me.
707
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:29,140
I made them do that, Patty.
708
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,920
You look like a pony. Please don't
do that otherwise I'll leave.
709
00:43:33,955 --> 00:43:37,340
Mr Smith, sit down. Mr Luthra,
please. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
710
00:43:37,375 --> 00:43:39,780
This isn't my armour. They took my
armour.
711
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:43,345
I absolutely can't wear this armour!
712
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:48,260
Mr Smith, we shall take care of your
armour once we are finished.
713
00:43:48,295 --> 00:43:50,837
Now, please sit down.
714
00:43:50,872 --> 00:43:53,380
I'm sitting down.
715
00:43:54,660 --> 00:44:00,540
I'm sitting down, I'm sitting down,
I'm sitting down.
716
00:44:00,575 --> 00:44:02,477
I'm sitting down. Sitting down.
717
00:44:02,512 --> 00:44:04,380
I'm sitting down. I'm sitting down.
718
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:17,665
Drink?
719
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,140
Er, sorry, I'll be working late.
720
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:23,940
They've put John Smith on suicide
watch.
721
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,820
Mm. He sent me a copy of his closing
speech.
722
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:32,980
Is it any good? It's well
structured, persuasive.
723
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:37,420
Pretty much what I'd have said if I'd
been defending him.
724
00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:41,140
So, he really could have been a
brilliant lawyer then.
725
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:45,860
Well, he certainly had potential.
726
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,420
So, are you buying then?
727
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:57,020
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